Vanessa Hudgens is developing a new side hustle: communing with spirits from the beyond. The High School Musical and Tick, Tick…Boom! actress spoke about her paranormal experiences in a wide-reaching interview on The Kelly Clarkson Show.

Hudgens began the interview with Kelly Clarkson by reflecting on her experience filming the High School Musical series, getting into playing golf, and her new relationship with Pittsburgh Pirates player Cole Tucker. She finally got into her ghost hunting ways halfway through the interview.

She joked that this isn’t a “new passion,” but she has finally, “accepted the fact that I see things and I hear things.” Hudgens said she had noticed strange occurrences happening around her from her childhood, the first being a toy moving on its own accord when she was as young as eight.

Hudgens said she ignored it for a while out of fear but finally decided, “I’m going to lean into it. And I recently did my first real paranormal investigation with equipment and everything.” She said her favorite piece of ghost hunting tech is a “spirit box” that apparently allows ghosts to speak through it.

“I was sitting at a tombstone in a graveyard with my best friend,” Hudgens began setting the scene, and said they were told the spirit of this tombstone was particularly “playful.” After Hudgens and her friend Gigi introduced themselves, she said that the spirit box said their names back when her friend asked if the ghost heard their names. She also said that when she asked the spirit if it had anything else to say, she just heard a “nope,” from the spirit box.

It’s too bad Hudgens had an anticlimactic first dialogue with a ghost, but if it happened at all then that’s honestly a truly impressive accomplishment.

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